tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4058766287077382431.post485580631815554115..comments2024-03-13T04:57:22.459-04:00Comments on Understanding Society: Fascist movementsDan Littlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15953897221283103880noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4058766287077382431.post-68363884135854534942010-05-27T20:56:27.513-04:002010-05-27T20:56:27.513-04:00The Fascist do not correlate very well with what w...The Fascist do not correlate very well with what we today would call the right. The right in Europe were generally Monarchists. Sometimes the Fascists and Monarchists made common cause, but they were not the same thing. They are viewed as being part of the right because they were enemies of the communists, but that is somewhat misleading.<br /><br />The Fascists were Socialists and believed in heavy state intervention in the economy. Their key difference from the Communists would be in their belief in individual property, and in having a very strong state/cultural identity.<br /><br />Chavis probably comes closer to the Fascists than todays religious right. Today religious right (the rebellious ones) would probably push for some sort of theocratic state, with an odd combination of extreme federalism. Since that would make for an odd way to run a country, what they likely would wind up with is some sort of nasty military regime without too much direct control of the economy.<br /><br />Fortunately, most of the more extreme religious right are more interested in the end times, then in taking control of society.<br /><br />As a side note: Adam Tooze in "The Wages of Destruction" does a very good job of showing what the post WW1 economic agenda of Germany, and the Nazi'z in particular, was.russell1200https://www.blogger.com/profile/16258915475311426433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4058766287077382431.post-73343026667890717542010-01-10T21:37:29.036-05:002010-01-10T21:37:29.036-05:00To finish up the thought just expressed, it might ...To finish up the thought just expressed, it might be the case that the author could explain what happened in Spain as a counter-revolution rather than a fascist movement. The idea being that there wasn't the kind of central, ideological basis that one would typically see in a fascist movement. Franco's seizing of power was extremely ad hoc compared to, say, Hitler.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03975959479383090484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4058766287077382431.post-39104894233502628312010-01-09T07:36:03.454-05:002010-01-09T07:36:03.454-05:00'Tis all one to me. Besides, Stalin had a para...'Tis all one to me. Besides, Stalin had a paramilitary movement all right, didn't he just - I've just finished reading Simon Sebag Montefiore's biography.<br /><br />I have a little graphic for my take on all this:<br /><br />http://theylaughedatnoah.blogspot.com/2008/11/handy-dandy-pigs-are-famers.htmlSackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410040031410954403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4058766287077382431.post-27685282509128731052010-01-09T07:09:46.090-05:002010-01-09T07:09:46.090-05:00I think Mann would classify Stalinism as "lef...I think Mann would classify Stalinism as "left authoritarian." Its ideology was Marxist rather than nationalist or racist and it didn't depend on paramilitary movements.Dan Littlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15953897221283103880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4058766287077382431.post-4829412631933934022010-01-09T05:18:39.102-05:002010-01-09T05:18:39.102-05:00Mann: "fascism is the pursuit of a transcende...Mann: "fascism is the pursuit of a transcendent and cleansing nation-statism through paramilitarism."<br /><br />And so Stalin was a fascist.Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410040031410954403noreply@blogger.com